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nbme20/Block 1/Question#16 (reveal difficulty score)
A 30-year-old woman with multiple sclerosis ...
Pons ๐Ÿ” / ๐Ÿ“บ / ๐ŸŒณ / ๐Ÿ“–
tags: Neuro

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submitted by โˆ—whossayin(35)
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The mnemonic I like for remembering the locations of the cranial nerves is the "2,2,4,4 rule"

Above brainstem= CN I + II Midbrain= CN III, IV Pons= CN V, VI, VII, VIII Medulla= CN IX, X, XI, XII

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lovebug  @whossayin thanx so much!!! +



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submitted by โˆ—thecatguy(19)
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This is a very nitpicky question. As I see it, the 3 main concepts tested are:

  • This patient has trigeminal neuralgia (sharp, brief, episodic pain in the face), which is caused by a lesion to primary sensory fibers that carry pain sensation from the face.
  • Multiple sclerosis, which the patient has, is a demyelinating disease (i.e., it affects white matter).
  • The myelinated axons carrying pain sensation from the ipsilateral face enter the brainstem at the level of the pons and then descend (become the spinal tract of the trigeminal). These white matter fibers pass through the pons to synapse on the spinal nucleus of the trigeminal, which is in the medulla (nucleus = gray matter). (picture here). Therefore, a lesion in the white matter (i.e., plaque) in the pons could cause trigeminal neuralgia, and this phenomenon has been observed.

Above the level of the brainstem (thalamus & cerebral cortex), you have second order sensory neurons. Lesions in this part of the circuit are not generally in trigeminal neuralgia. I suppose they also want us to assume that once the spinal tract of the trigeminal enters the medulla, it's not myelinated anymore. I don't think this is completely true, but given the logic described above, pons would still be the better answer.

As people have pointed out, the primary sensory fibers carrying light touch sensation from the face synapse on the chief sensory nucleus in the pons immediately after they enter the pons. This question is not asking about those fibers though.

I got the question wrong too..

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mightymito  Wow this is the best explanation yet! Thanks so much for very clearly walking us through a tricky question. +5
lovebug  @thecatguy Are.... you a professor? thank you very much :) +1



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submitted by โˆ—feliperamirez(45)
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I do understand that the principal nucleus of the trigeminal nerve is located at the pons. But since this patient is having trigeminal neuralgia wouldn't you be disrupting the pathway involved in pain and temperature, which in this case would be the spinal nucleus (located in the medulla)?

Besides, I found this at an article

A recent hypothesis attributes the pain of trigeminal neuralgia to a central mechanism involving the pars oralis of the spinal trigeminal nucleus.[5]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK539729/

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pg32  I literally had medulla selected the whole time and then changed it to pons simply because i felt the test writers were just seeing if we knew where the trigeminal nerve was located. bummer because I think your logic is way better. it's what i first thought when i read the case. +1
l0ud_minority  The question has a combined lesion that could be in either the pons or medulla given the question stem. There is severe shooting pains which would indicate the Spinal nucleus of V (mainly pain and temperature) as well as the Main sensory nucleus of V (mainly touch). Here is an image for reference. https://neupsykey.com/examination-of-the-general-somatosensory-system/ +



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submitted by โˆ—sympathetikey(1600)
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Principle Sensory Nucleus of the Trigeminal is located in the Pons, as is the Motor Trigeminal Nucleus of the pons. This presentation is probably dealing more with the Principle Sensory Nucleus.

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submitted by โˆ—strugglebus(189)
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The pons has nerves 5-8, so the trigeminal would be affected here

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masonkingcobra  Thalamic pain syndrome would involve dysesthesias on the entire contralateral body so more than just the face. Also it occurs often after post-stroke. Additoinally, these dysesthesias appear weeks/months later +15



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submitted by woodenspooninmymouth(2)
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MS is a demyelinating disease. That's why I didn't pick cortex or thalamus; they are grey matter. I picked medulla because I the spinotrigeminal nerves traverse the medulla. I guess we are just supposed to assume the demyelination is happening in the pons? I don't know.

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woodenspooninmymouth  Sorry, I meant to say that the pons would have the cell bodies for the pain/temp neurons, no? +
athenathefirst  @woodenspooninmymouth this is specifically trigeminal neuralgia with involves cranial nerve 5--> where does CN 5 localize to? it's the pons. If you don't get this question still, watch the Rule of 4s in Boards and Beyond section on Brainstem. +



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submitted by โˆ—lilyo(94)
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I was thinking along the lines of facial sensation which is mediated by the trigeminal nerve and the fact that the trigeminal nerve is located in the pons.

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submitted by โˆ—chandlerbas(118)
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theres an association made in 2017 with trigeminal neuralgia and MS - which is what i think this pt has. key thing to note is that while all motor and sensory fibers of CN 5 enter at the level fo the pons (however some also do enter at the level of medulla and even the sc via the spinal tract of 5 to synapse with the long sensory nucleus of 5) heres the link of trigeminal neuralgia and MS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5649347/

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submitted by โˆ—mamed(25)
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Per boards and beyond, in the lateral pons is there is the spinal V nucleus which carries contralateral pain and temperature. Knowing that + CN V arises it in the pons, I went with pons. The only other option I had left not crossed out was cerebral hemisphere but that seemed to broad.

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vivarin  BB also said not to use the rule of 4's to localize CN V to the pons so that's why I crossed it out... +1
athenathefirst  @vivarin completely agree with you, but this is NBME always liking to trick and confuse us. +



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submitted by โˆ—athenathefirst(7)
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How is this 61.2 level of difficulty when biostats questions are usually 17 or 18 #crying

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