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A 4-year-old boy has had fever, abdominal ...
Shigella sonnei ๐Ÿ” / ๐Ÿ“บ / ๐ŸŒณ / ๐Ÿ“–
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submitted by louisville(12)
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Methylene-blue stained fecal smear reveled numerous neutrophils (but not any organisms). Shigella is colorless when stained with methylene blue; E coli stains blue with methylene blue because it ferments lactose.

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sympathetikey  E. coli stains green (just fyi) otherwise, perfect. +14
chandlerbas  only E coli stains green, all other lactose fermenters stain purple/black (just fyi) otherwise, perfect. ;) FA144 bottom +5
dmotav  I think this is actually a separate concept โ€“ E. coli stains "metallic green" on eosin methylene blue agar, which is in the E. coli sketchy and first aid. However this question is referring to the methylene blue test on a fecal smear. From what I can gather, this test will be positive (indicated by presence of neutrophils) in cases of invasive diarrhea (i.e. shigella, salmonella, enterohemorrhagic E. coli). The test will be negative (no neutrophils) in cases of diarrhea caused by toxins (cholera, enterotoxigenic E. coli, giardia, viral diarrhea). So even though E. coli can present with fecal PMNs (if it's the enterohemorrhagic type), I guess that's less likely than shigella? source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4554412 +8
srmtn  correct @dmotav, Eosin methylene blue agar is different from Methylen Blue stain which just show presence or not of leucocytes... just read this: Fecal leukocytes can be observed in those with the following conditions โ€ข Salmonella infections โ€ข Shigella infections โ€ข Ulcerative colitis โ€ข Crohnโ€™s disease Leukocytes will be absent in fecal samples from those with Giardia, E.coli or viral infections and also in cases of food poisoning. +



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submitted by โˆ—monoloco(155)
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I think Shigella is the most appropriate, as it is actually regarded as highly inflammatory. Yes, E. coli can be of the EHEC/STEC variety, but E. coli could also be of the ETEC variety or whatever other strains it has. Ergo, E. coli may be plausible, but it is not the 'most likely.' Bleh to these kinds of questions.

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jcmed  This is why I picked this one because of the mucoid stools/inflammatory nature :) +



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submitted by โˆ—neonem(629)
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Shigella causes an inflammatory diarrhea; it produces a toxin and can invade tissue directly. In addition, it is resistant to acid, so it has a characteristically low infective dose (~10 organisms), which facilitates its fecal-oral (person-to-person) spread especially in settings where hygiene may be compromised, such as in daycare or institutional housing. It can be differentiated from E. Coli (EHEC) because E Coli doesn't have as much person-to-person spread and only causes GI damage by the shiga-like toxin, not direct invasion. Therefore, EHEC wouldn't facilitate as strong of a neutrophilic response.

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yotsubato  I assumed all the kids in the daycare had the same lunch, thus got food poisoning, thus all got EHEC. +5



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submitted by โˆ—beeip(141)
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Apart from the line in FA referencing PMN infiltrate in Shigella, there is no way to differentiate here between it and E. Coli. Cheap shot.

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merpaperple  As best I can understand, what they are trying to get at is that "EMB stain showing neutrophils" -> "EMB stain NOT showing organisms" -> more likely Shigella than E Coli. If a special culture for an organism (e.g. EMB for E. Coli) shows no organisms but only inflammatory cells, i.e. neutrophils, that means that organism is not present. If that's the point here it's kind of a trick question, as we all would have gotten it right if they had just said "EMB showed no organisms." I guess the takeaway is that the point of a special culture is binary - you are looking for a specific organism, and it is either there or it isn't. +1



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submitted by โˆ—groovygrinch(39)
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Like many here, I was between E. Coli and Shigella but went with Shigella because of the daycare center history. I associate EHEC E. Coli with bad burger meat and it seemed unlikely to me that they would be whipping up burgers at the daycare (Usually everyone brings their own lunch to daycare) .

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submitted by โˆ—feralbaskin(2)
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Shigella is the most likely causal organism over E. coli due to the vignette specifically stating the patient has had "bloody MUCOID stools with tenesmus."

Page 144 FA 2019 GI manifestations: Fever, crampy abdominal pain -> tenesmus, blood mucoid stools (bacillary dysentery).

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Sketchy mentioning bloody mucoid stools for E. coli and that detail doesn't seem to appear in FA.

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meja2  Thank you! I didn't catch the "bloody mucoid stools" reference, and yes you're right- E. coli wouldn't have this presentation! +



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submitted by โˆ—step1soon(51)
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sOn EMB Agar, isolated colonies of lactose-fermenting bacteria appear brown to blue-black in color. Escherichia coli appears as large, blue-black colonies, often with a green metallic sheen. Enterobacter spp. present as brown to blue-black, mucoid colonies with no sheen. Non-lactose-fermenting colonies, such as Shigella spp. and Salmonella spp., appear transparent and colorless.

We basically needed to correlate that โ†’ no organisms seen but only neutrophils to being a lactose non-fermentor organism. Therefore the answer is Shigella and not E coli

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submitted by โˆ—an1(114)
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the child was in a daycare, sonnei and rotavirus are the ones to keep in mind. sonnei can also be due to unwashed veggies too. and the inflammatory stool (neutrophils) also indicates sonnei. the lack of exposure (undercooked meat for EHEC) helps to rule out E.Coli. dirty water (ETEC and EIEC) aren't possible because of this kids bloody stool. Also for this to be HUS (the only possible E.Coli with bloody diarrhea), we should have seen the triad or at least something about it (anemia + thrombocytpoenia + Acute Renal Insuff.). Also, "mucoid stools" is right from the FA chart for shigella.

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submitted by whyisthis42dollars(1)
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E. coli isn't an inflammatory diarrhea, Shigella is (think back to the flames in the Sketchy video). That alone is enough to rule out E. coli from answer choices.

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submitted by โˆ—beetbox(6)
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Can someone help me out? I chose E.Coli too, and I'm too thick to understand the comments here. The question said fecal smear not special agar culture dishes...why are we talking about stain colors? and why would methylene blue stained fecal smear show no organism? I thought methylene blue stains just about any cells that has DNA/RNA. If the question is trying to tell us that there were NO ORGANISMS seen in the smear, why would Shigella not be seen? Is it because Shigella invades cells and considered more intracellular than E.Coli?

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topgunber  i think E. Coli would be visible on a methylene blue stain (green stain), i'm assuming shigella is negative. virio parahemolyticus causes bloody diarrhea unlike cholera but im guessing its wrong because its from seafood. Shigella and c. jejuni are common in the states (same with e coli). Because only neutrophils were stained we have to assume that its not e coli. +



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