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nbme24/Block 3/Question#16 (reveal difficulty score)
An 18-year-old woman is brought to the ...
Respiratory acidosis ๐Ÿ” / ๐Ÿ“บ / ๐ŸŒณ / ๐Ÿ“–
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submitted by โˆ—keycompany(351)
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This patient has a pneumothorax. Hyperventillation is not enough to compensate for the overall decrease in lung surface area.

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_yeetmasterflex  Could the pneumothorax also cause less ventilation due to decreased lung surface, retaining more CO2 causing respiratory acidosis? That's how I got to the answer at least. +8
duat98  I think pneumothorax would increase RR because you're probably hypoxic. Also I'm sure when you have a lung collapse on you you'd be scared and that would trigger your sympathetic so your RR will go up either way. +4
kateinwonderland  Arterial blood gas studies may show respiratory alkalosis caused by a decrease in CO2 as a result of tachypnea but later hypoxemia, hypercapnia, and acidosis. The patient's SaO2 levels may decrease at first, but typically return to normal within 24 hours. (https://journals.lww.com/nursing/Fulltext/2002/11000/Understanding_pneumothorax.52.aspx) +2
linwanrun1357  How about choice C, --ARDS? +3
bullshitusmle  there is no bilateral lung opacities as you would see in ARDS +5
jesusisking  Was thinking some sort of infection b/c of the atelectasis so picked empyema but this makes sense! +1
djeffs1  does it need to be ARDS to cause "diffuse alveolar damage"? +1
makingstrides  Not only that, does having a collapsed lung affect the alveoli? +1



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submitted by jucapami(14)
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x-ray corresponds to a tension pneumothorax = imminent respiratory failure if untreated. Right lung is fully collapsed, increasing intra-thoracic pressure, imparing O2 exchange (due to mass effect toward left lung, and collapsed right one), hence accumulating CO2 (in blood), inducing respiratory acidosis.

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j44n  how is it a tension if there is not tracheal deviation? +2
djeffs1  I can see that its resp. Acidosis, but wouldn't the most risky potential complication be diffuse alveolar damage (If you arent able to reinflate sometime? +
sexymexican888  @j44n honestly you cant even see the damn trachea on this! lol +



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submitted by solgabrielamoreno(8)
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https://www.kaggle.com/c/siim-acr-pneumothorax-segmentation/discussion/98498

exact picture from the exam explained. :)

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submitted by โˆ—pingra(6)
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I thought of this as a giant physiologic shunt (ie, due to the pneumothorax there is no ventilation to an entire lung, as a consequence you retain CO2) - not sure if this is the actual mechanism but it helped me get this question right

hopefully this helps!

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drdoom  this definitely makes sense to me, especially if it happens โ€œacutelyโ€/suddenly. if someone gets a lung or lobe removed, e.g., cancer, my guess is that the reminaing lung would โ€œremodelโ€ over time and recoup at least some of that lost surface area โ€” in the same way new anastomoses form in the weeks or months after near-complete artery blockage (as guided by VEGF elaboration) +
drdoom  but in the case where it happens โ€œall of suddenโ€, i totally agree youโ€™re going to get CO2 retention +



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submitted by โˆ—faus305(39)
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Keycompany gave the quick, simple explanation.

but from a less-clinical perspective: If anyone has ever been "Lit-up" on the football field, or just generally ever had the "wind-knocked out" of them, you know that your breathing for the next 5 minutes is very shallow because it just hurts to breath too deep.

This girl broke a rib so likely can't breath very deep, so even though she is breathing rapidly the CO2 is likely remaining in her lungs and causing a respiratory acidosis.

Also, here is why the other answers don't make sense:

Amyloidosis & carcinoid - long term problems not related to a broken rib and acute presentation Empyema- "collection of pus" wouldn't form this soon and if it did the percussion would not reveal increased tympany. Pulmonary edema- percussion would not reveal increased tympany. PE- Could cause similar symptoms but percussion would not reveal increased tympany, and the x-ray and history of trauma tells you that this is definitely a pneumothorax.

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