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A 25-year-old woman is brought to the ...
Pulmonary capillary leakage 🔍 / 📺 / 🌳 / 📖
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submitted by neonem(629)
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This patient isn't hypoventilating, they're HYPERventilating, hence the PCO2 < 40 mm Hg.

Let's walk it backwards: They are hyperventilating to compensate for the metabolic acidosis caused by widespread hypoxia. Hyperventilating allows you to blow off more CO2.

Why are they hypoxic? The person is hypoxic due to inflammation and acute respiratory distress syndrome from the pneumonia. All the cytokines from the inflammatory cells cause increased pulmonary capillary leakage, which blocks up the alveolar membrane so that O2 can't get through to the blood.

Why do they have metabolic acidosis in the first place? No oxygen --> no electron transport chain and no TCA --> lactic acidosis.

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diabetes  no pneumonia it is UTI +3
makinallkindzofgainz  The infection from the UTI spread to her lungs +
makinallkindzofgainz  this is essentially urosepsis, one of the leading causes of sepsis +1
cmun777  UTI -> Sepsis -> ARDS (exudative pathophysiology d/t increased pulmonary vasc permeability) +22
peqmd  urosepsis +
snripper  lmao I read it as upper respiratory tract infections, too. +4
thisshouldbefree  she has an increased A-a gradient. +



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submitted by diabetes(31)
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U(UtI) ==> sepsis ==>ARDS==>INCREASE alveolar capillary permeability ==> hypoxemia ==> hyperventilation ==>hypocapnia

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avocadotoast  This is correct. The patient doesn't have pneumonia, but sepsis from her UTI. Sepsis is a known cause of ARDS. ARDS can be due to extra-pulmonary tissue damage that leads to the release of inflammatory mediators, alveolar damage, pulmonary edema, and hyaline membrane formation. The hyaline membranes impair gas exchange and lead to hypoxia. +2



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submitted by dbg(197)
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Did anyone else wonder WHAT "PULMONARY SYMPTOMS" is the question referring to?? There is literally not a single symptom mentioned in the whole vignette. No "crackles heard over both lung fields" are not symptoms. They are signs found by the physician.

Seriously doubting the whole NBME board test writers right now. Do they adequately revise their work? This is not the first technical mistake I realize on the new forms.

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nbmehelp  Yup. Looking back its clear what they were trying to get at, but this definitely threw me off when I was taking the test bc I kept rereading the question looking for a specific symptom the pt had that they wanted me to explain. +3
ergogenic22  I agree with you that the writers are whack but this question clearly says "diffuse crackles are heard over both lung fields" +3
ergogenic22  i take that back i understand what you're saying +7
peqmd  I think what are causing her pulmonary "signs" might be more accurate question. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/161858#sign-vs-symptom +2
an_improved_me  I get where you anger is coming from.. They expect the students to pick up the most minor details as they may be relevant to an extremely vague and tedius questions and answers, but don't hold themselves to the same standard. +1



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submitted by am4140(8)
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I see people are having problem with the “pulmonary symptom” part, but they way I thought about it is: what symptom?

She’s tachypneic because the CO2 is low, which I’m sure she could have noticed before she passed out. Everything else is a sign. So what makes a patient tachypneic? Well, your lungs filling up with crap can do it, which it says in the question since she has diffuse bilateral infiltrates.

So what causes your lungs to have infiltrates? Well, she has a kidney infection that’s turned into septic shock with gram negative bacteremia, so it’s going to be all the inflammatory mediators we produce in response to all of that bacterial LPS in the bloodstream causing pulmonary capillary leakage and ARDS.

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submitted by ankistruggles(18)
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How do you know her pulmonary symptoms are due to pulmonary capillary leakage and not hypoventilation? Is pulmonary capillary leakage just another way of saying pulmonary edema?

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sattanki  Hypoventilation in no way leads to pulmonary edema. +
fenestrated  Hypoventilation would increased the PCO2 +1



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submitted by sattanki(82)
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The pt is having a severe case of pneumonia/sepsis (ARDS?), as that’s why her PO2 is low at 64. So in pneumonia there is increased capillary leakage leading to pulmonary edema.

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submitted by famylife(110)
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From AAFP:

"Acute respiratory distress syndrome is a manifestation of acute injury to the lung, commonly resulting from sepsis, trauma, and severe pulmonary infections. Clinically, it is characterized by dyspnea, profound hypoxemia, decreased lung compliance, and diffuse bilateral infiltrates on chest radiography...

In ARDS, the injured lung is believed to go through three phases: exudative, proliferative, and fibrotic, but the course of each phase and the overall disease progression is variable. In the exudative phase, damage to the alveolar epithelium and vascular endothelium produces leakage of water, protein, and inflammatory and red blood cells into the interstitium and alveolar lumen. These changes are induced by a complex interplay of proinflammatory and anti-inflammatory mediators."

https://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0115/p315.html

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submitted by unknown001(9)
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they mentioned blood culture. blood culture= sepsis = ards > cxr infiltrates

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submitted by jbrito718(48)
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This is septic shock leading to pulmonary edema aka “symptoms”. The leakage is caused by LPS leading to IL-1, IL-6, TNF-alpha which increases vascular permeability! The question and answers tries to trick you into thinking it’s something else but you know she had gram neg infections and the presentation is just sequelae of septic shock!

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