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A 35-year-old man comes to the physician ...
C7 nerve root🔍
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submitted by mcl(517),

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nCa oayenn lnxapie wyh t'is 7C revo 8C?

joha961 Same question. How could you determine between the specific nerve roots (C7 vs. C8)? +2

mcl Someone I was talking to (and post below) was saying that first aid mentions triceps is C7, so that's what should've been the big thing for us. +2

joanmadd you might see some ulnar nerve involvement if C8 was involved her +

passplease but he has generalized tingling which is in both ulnar and median regions? +

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submitted by paulm(3),

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ingitgln" osniensta fo rfeng"is → ideanm enver

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carmustine Another important indication that this involves the median nerve is the weakness in pronation. Pronation of the forearm is performed by the pronator teres and the pronator quadratus, both of which are innervated by the median nerve. +3

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submitted by delamj(4),

My thought process on this question:

weakness of arm extension and pronation = sounds like musculocutaneous nerve (C5-C7)
Triceps stretch reflex (C7-C8);

Ruleouts: Biceps is C5-C6 so r/o C6. C8 doesn't fit musculocutaneous muscle actions action so r/o C6. Median and Radial nerves have different muscle actions so r/o those as well, leaving just C7 best fitting the vignette.

delamj C8 doesn't fit musculocutaneous muscle actions action so r/o C8.** +1

lsp1992 I think you have the function of the musculocutaneous nerve wrong. Musculocutanous nerve's motor function is flexion (biceps, brachialis and corachobrachialis) and supination. Musculocutaneous dysfunction would cause weakness of flexion and supination. Weakness of extension would be radial nerve. Weakness of pronation would be median +1

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submitted by obliviondo (1),

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ocdcAnrig to AF 2910 Tcreip fRleex is dmitaeed by C,6 yse 6C TNO 8C, dna 7C I[n ,DBOL ipngilym ti si omre mpnr.t]taoi

peridot This is on p.498 of FA 2019 for anyone curious +

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submitted by welpdedelp(198),

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So I tkinh atht iusse fo trwis tenenxois da/nor eirngf rdop wdolu be mreo alardi envre. erwo,vHe heert swa emor orlxpmia aesnesw,k so ti loudw be C.7

87"- yal hemt ,rthsi"gat the tp coun'dlt y"al htme s"hitatrg os it dolwu eb C7 ootr

welpdedelp *As an addition, median nerve involvement would have leaned more toward C8 than C7. +1

meningitis Do you have anymore useful mnemonics for brachial plexus? +

henoch280 FA pg 494 for mnemonics +

winelover777 Doesn't look like there are many in FA 2019. S1/S2 - Buckle my shoe. L3/L4 - Shut the door. C5/C6 - Pick up sticks. +

drzed S2-S4 keeps the penis off the floor :) (cremaster reflex) +

peridot What's crazy @drzed is that in FA 2019 it says L1-L2 ("testicles move") on p.498 so I wonder if that changed +

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submitted by azibird(74),

Here is a part of the UWorld table about cervical radiculopathies. And yes they did say that C7 is the most frequently involved. I think the answer is that C6 would involve the biceps, C8 would involve the fingers, and pronation is median nerve. So it has to be C7.

https://imgur.com/a/GvmCUj1

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submitted by magrufnis(0),

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txallymcbeal My FA2018 has “C7” bolded, meaning it is the main nerve root. But I also got this one wrong so I can’t be much help besides that. +1

mnemonia Honestly just a guess but I have this vague understanding that intrinsic hand muscles are C8-T1 so we might’ve expected more hand motor findings as well with a C8 lesion. +2

theecohummer I narrowed it down to C7 using the fact that the C7 myotome is elbow extension. I also learned that the C7 nerve root was the main contributor to the triceps DTR so I just went with that. +

mchu21 They also mentioned that the person had weakness pronating the right forearm which is performed by the biceps. Biceps is innervated by the musculocutaneous nerve which is C5-C7 and that's what helped me pick C7 > C8. +1

mcl Sorry, I thought the biceps was a supinator of the forearm? +10

henoch280 yes.. its the supinator not pronator +

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submitted by oslerweberrendu(0),

According to Uworld, QID: 11779 C7 myotome is involved in elbow extension. Looks like it settles!

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submitted by nwinkelmann(257),

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this is my way to think(please correct me if it's not correct: a. weakness of triceps muscle reflex --> C6 / C7 / C8 problem (FA P498 2019) b. weakness of extension of the forearm --> radial nerve is involved --> damage of C7 root leads to axillary or RADIAL nerve defect (FA P441 2019)

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