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nbme23/Block 2/Question#38 (33.8 difficulty score)
A 78-year-old man is found unresponsive in ...
"Thank you for telling me this. Your friend's previous statements to you can be helpful in making decisions for him."πŸ”
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submitted by stinkysulfaeggs(92),
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nbmehelp  ^^^ exactly +  



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submitted by bmilt34(2),

Some things ive noticed for these types of questions? 1) dont be a dick (b, d, e) 2) dont differ to some other person (a)




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submitted by nlkrueger(43),
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.... uldwo we arelyl take hte dwro fo a fndrei hwo eeityinldf nt'ca be ?nmofidrce I feel klie htsi si imsnedilga

lispectedwumbologist  All the other answer choices make you come across as an asshole. Easy way to ace ethics questions is to just not be an asshole +9  
seagull  I would be a bigger asshole when the family came I'n after I pulled the plug...opps...but the friend said +28  
dr.xx  The patient has no wife, children, or close relatives... +3  
nwinkelmann  @lispectedwumbologist this is going to be my technique, because I've gotten a couple of these wrong, but I completely agree with everyone else's sentiments of suspicion of going off what a friend said without any confirmation about state of advance directives, etc. It's really dumb. +3  
paulkarr  With these questions; you have to take what NBME says at face value. If it says no family, he really does have no family. This friend is also claiming that the 78 y/o said this about himself, so we know it's the patients wishes rather than someone else's wishes for him. (A son saying he can't let go of his father yet despite the patient's DNR type of situation). +1  
suckitnbme  I think the point here isn't that we would take the patient off the ventilator because the friend said so. The answer is saying "Thank you for your input, we will take that into consideration." It's completely non-committal. +7  
vivijujubebe  they say no close relatives, which means he could have remote relatives, relatives must be asked before listening to a stranger/friend's words..... +  



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submitted by syoung07(21),

YUUUUUUUGE key here- patient wife has been dead for 5 years and he has no children or close relatives. This "friend" has been taking care of our guy here like a relative would. So based on NBME that close enough.




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submitted by rockodude(16),

not sure if this is right but the way I thought about it was that after family a surrogate decision maker can be a close friend and the neighbor has cooking for him and running errands for the last 5 years since his wife died so I believe that the close friend surrogate designation may apply




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submitted by tinydoc(223),
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submitted by usmleuser007(377),
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So sa a hpcisainy pre isth itounqes uoy liwl go of msoe ho'snrebig wsrod nad tno frimcno if hte ipttane sha an davneadc evriite..cd. msees liek het ocd adn hte ogibhren rae ni oems kidn of a ldea eher ....