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Retired NBME 24 Answers

nbme24/Block 4/Question#24 (reveal difficulty score)
A 13-year-old girl who has a 6-year history ...
Discuss further the impact of the patient's illness on the family ๐Ÿ” / ๐Ÿ“บ / ๐ŸŒณ / ๐Ÿ“–
tags: ethics

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submitted by โˆ—nwinkelmann(366)
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I just thought of a way to (hopefully) avoid getting these types of answers wrong. First, when I read them I always look for the least "asshole" answer. Then, if you're still stuck, try to put the statement into a quote that you would say to a patient as a physician, remembering that open-ended, non-judgmental questions are ideal.

The answer for this could be phrased as a question/statement by the doctor, to the family, as "Tell me more about how this impacting your family and daily life." Had it been phrased like that, I DEFINITELY wouldn't have gotten it wrong. I would have never even had the opportunity to make an assumption about the family's fighting being due to diet concerns and thus needing a nutritionist referal (which is what I chose).

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usmile1  I think the reason dietician was incorrect is because she has had diabetes for 6 years and her diabetes was well controlled that entire time. Then for the past two months her glucose control has been poor. This is pointing towards the issue NOT being that they don't know how to manage the diabetes so referring to a dietician wouldn't be useful. +6
tiredofstudying  99.99/100 times the answer will never include referral. The only reason I do not say 100/100 is because there may be an answer one day that is to refer, but through all of UW, Rx, and NBME it has never been to refer, so do with that info what you will +5
gutierreznar  Thought about parents fighting at meals due to money issues of her special diet so they should discuss it with the dietitan to try to switch to a cheaper diet. Overthinking a bit lol +



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submitted by targetmle(10)
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Shouldn't we first address the issue by correcting her glucose levels by readjusting insulin and then see what are the problems?

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am4140  This is what I picked and what Iโ€™d still pick in real life. The fact that her diabetes was controlled before doesnโ€™t change the fact that itโ€™s not controlled now... maybe we could change the insulin back to what it was after they get their family issues fixed, but the patientโ€™s immediate blood sugar levels need treatment IMO. Iโ€™m just going to miss these questions forever, I think. +1



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submitted by sabistonsurgery(5)
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To get such vague questions right:

  1. Consider saying all the statements in the snarkiest tone possible under your breath (translate to mother tongue if IMG for bonus effect).

"Stop Bickering" - while saying, don't you get a hint of paternalism, like the doctor treating the parents as teenagers themselves. They are fully grown-up themselves; they know they shouldn't bicker!

  1. Don't choose the refer option on Step 1 (99% of the time correct).... unless no other option at all fits your case first UWorld has questions going to court as the right answer even! But in all of them, it was evident that no other option could come close to being polite/nice/ethical/legally correct.

  2. Options that say - encourage/endorse/discuss/ask - are always preferred. Communication = Key Questions

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regularstudent  I love this lmao. I said stop bickering because I thought it would be fucked up to ask the parents about how their kid's diabetes has impacted their family. Me :"So how has this kid's disease impacted your family?" Parents"Oh! we're about to divorce because of this fucking kid. She's a constant stress, and that's why we constantly fight, even during dinner and at the doctor's office!" +4
unknown001  lol. this comment made my day +



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submitted by subclaviansteele(11)
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Ugh... got tripped up with "Refer both patient and her parents to a dietician"

Over thinking...I thought the source of their arguments were at meal times especially...so maybe they can find a good solution with a dietician.

OCCAMs RAZOR THIS SHIT. keep it simple stupid. The answer fits the best after re reading it.

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nwinkelmann  SAME.... ugh! +
johnson  Also - you're almost NEVER referring/passing on a patient with the USMLE. +9
bmd12  They are at meal times, which is why she's having difficulty following the prescribed diet bc her parents are arguing during that time so its difficult for her to correctly execute it when theyre constantly bickering, and bc she's only 13 so she cant effectively manage her diet without the help of her parents. And since the diet has been working with the patient prior to all the bickering, you can assume the diet is not the root cause. +1
jamaicabliz  the universal constants: Death, Taxes, and never consulting the ethics committee +
meryen13  that is literally what I thought! what if they don't fix their issue and this poor kid will have glycemic control issues! fixing family is not a one day work! fix glucose first and work on family issue over weeks!!! (thats what I'll do in real life) :((((( +



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submitted by โˆ—therealslimshady(42)
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You can eliminate C because her diabetes was well controlled in the past. The fact that there is stress in her family and she has poor glucose control tells you that the her poor glucose control is secondary to the stress in her family. So you want to fix the real problem, and to do this, you need more information about it, so pick B, as open-ended questions will always give the physician more insight to what's going on and better be able to decide how to tackle the problem

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submitted by โˆ—hhsuperhigh(49)
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The diet is prescribed, so no need to refer to dietician anymore. It is a case of the patient non-compliance of diet. But why can't advise the parents to stop bickering?

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therealslimshady  I remember Boards and Beyond said that you never want to pick any statements that sound "scolding", plus it couldn't be much help to just say "stop arguing", it's better to find out information on what's causing the arguing so that you can stop it entirely, which choice B will allow you to do. +
tyrionwill  stress is the thing to worse the condition of DM, and will be better after being seen, comforted, and accepted. +



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submitted by โˆ—thisshouldbefree(51)
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I translated choice B to "the parents are arguing about their child and therefore by saying this i am adding fuel to the fire" I chose A because i figured thing are getting heated and therefore doc should try to calm things down before proceeding

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submitted by โˆ—unknown001(9)
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awesome analogy . 3 steps to ethics

  1. least asshole answer
  2. politest
  3. no short cuts ( like take the longer harder most painstakingly official route to any process.)

p.s last point, you will see its use in other questions, not this one

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