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A 17-year-old boy is brought to the emergency ...
Hypokalemia🔍

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submitted by moloko270(52),

loss of fluid triggers aldosterone production, so patient will have hypernatremia and hypokalemia as a result

I realise now that diarrhoea causes hypernatremia! And the reason we give ORS is to restore the blood pressure by giving Na and Glu not to correct sodium level!

My 6 yr of medical education was a myth

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submitted by liverdietrying(65),

Good fact to commit to memory: you lose bicarb in the stool (hence why diarrhea causes nonanion gap metabolic acidosis), and especially lose potassium with laxative abuse (as mentioned in the question stem). https://www.uptodate.com/contents/acid-base-and-electrolyte-abnormalities-with-diarrhea

sbryant6 I'm going to go take a big bicarbonate poop now. +11

happysingh i would suggest that you look into it a bit more. Why ? Had an nbme question (which confused the shit out of me) cuz, Bluemic Pt. who was abusing Laxatives (had the up & down arrows) and this is what it gave : Laxative Abuse — Metabolic Alkalosis : ↓K+ ↑Cl- ↑pH ↓HCO3- so one of the points of distinction IS the increase in Cl- with laxative abuse (vs. vomiting, which was a knee-jerk reaction when i hear bulimia) +

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submitted by iviax94(5),

I was between hypokalemia (due to diarrhea) and hypercalcemia/hyperuricemia (since sweat is hypotonic and would cause hyperosmotic volume contraction). I didn’t have a great way to decide between hyperCa/hyperuricemia so I figured they wanted hypoK. Is there a better rationale for why the hyper answers are incorrect?

liverdietrying I think you over-thought this one a little bit with the hypercalcemia/hyperuricemia. Good fact to commit to memory: you lose bicarb in the stool (hence why diarrhea causes nonanion gap metabolic acidosis), and especially lose potassium with laxative abuse (as mentioned in the question stem). https://www.uptodate.com/contents/acid-base-and-electrolyte-abnormalities-with-diarrhea +1

w7er Basically they are asking about electrolyte distrubance that cause collapse mainly due to hypokalemia from laxative abuse because diarreha cause hypokamlemia and also cause incrase in renin angiotensin sytem which will further cause hypokalemia resuling cardiocascular colapse :) +

hyperfukus i thought the hyperuricemia thing too but i wasn't smart enough to think they wanted hypokalemia like u :( +1

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submitted by drmohandes(52),

You mostly lose HCO3- and K+ in stool.

Loss of HCO3- leads to a normal anion gap metabolic acidosis (FA2019 pg. 580 'HARDASS'), in which we also see a compensatory increase in Cl-.

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submitted by castlblack(8),

I have read all the comments, but none explain why hyponatremia is wrong. There is definitely Na+ in stool....thats why sugar+salt is rehydration for peds diarrheal sickness. Low Na+ causes low EVV explaining the low BP, high HR, pallor, and dehydration. Is it correct but just not as correct as C?

waterloo I Dont know what you mean by low EVV. But here's my thought process. This pt lost lots of water, and when someone takes a laxative causing them to have diarrhea that will lead to metabolic acidosis. A buffering mechanism for the decreased bicarb in the blood is for H+ to leave cells and K+ to go into the cells. So he has to have hypokalemia (low K+ in serum). They gave him IV fluids, so his BP should be headed back to normal. I would think his RAAS will chill out. But it takes time to correct the acidosis, you're kidney won't just immediately stop reabs bicarb so you're body will still be buffering against the acidosis (H+ out of cell, K+ in). +

waterloo sorry, I wrote increased bicarb, I meant DECREASED bicarb in the blood. And also should have written "you're kidney won't just immediately START reabs new bicarb" My Bad, wasn't trying to add to confusion. +

drdoom i think by `EVV` author meant `ECV` (extracellular volume). @waterloo, appreciate the explanation but think something is off: loss of HCO3- via diarrhea should result in acidemia, which would oppose the presumption of ‌``H+ leaving cell, K+ going in´´. +

waterloo hey so sorry, I must have been super tired posting this. Can't believe I made so many mistakes. Read over it again, and it sounds like gibberish. Wish there was a way to delete. My bad. +

waterloo I think I tried to explain too hard. Looking at this question again, I think really the only this is when you lose that much volume, you lose bicarb and K+. Nothing really to do with acid-base. My b. +

drdoom no worries! +

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submitted by apurva(14),

Chronic diarrhoea == Vit D malabsorption = Hypocalcemia (say in crohns)

ACute diarrhoea = Hypernatremia, Hypokalemia, hyperphosphatemia

Dehydration can also cause hyperuricemia and ppt gout attack, but for young pt i think this will be irrelevant